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Busan scraps plan to have ‘foreigner zone’ on Haeundae beach

Lee Tae-hoon
Written by Lee Tae-hoon
The Haeundae District Office will scrap its plan to have a designated “foreigner” zone on Haeundae Beach this summer.

“We have realized that it was inappropriate to name an area of the beach as a foreigner zone,” Sohn Jeong-sik, head of operations at Haeundae District Office, told The Korea Observer Wednesday.

Sohn added that the office will accept The Korea Observer’s proposal to rename the zone, which the district office up to now had called a “Foreigner-specialized Zone” (외국인 특화존). The zone is a 50-meter section of the beach cleared of parasols. The district office announced plans for the zone that include erecting beach soccer goal posts, a volleyball court and an area for other activities like sun tanning.

“We welcome The Korea Observer’s proposal to ask expats to weigh in on the most appropriate term to describe the parasol-free area,” he said.

“We will review the finalists selected by The Korea Observer and select one to replace the much disputed name for the foreigner-friendly zone.”

Sohn said his office will be happy to offer souvenirs to the winner of the naming contest.

Haeundae Beach called the parasol-free area on the beach a foreigner zone since 2012 in response to concerns that tourists and expatriates visiting Haeundae could not enjoy summertime activities like beach volleyball on account of the many parasols on the beach.

The Haeundae district office will also conduct its own survey to assess the appropriateness of having a foreigner-friendly zone.

You may propose an alternative name on the comment section of this post. You may also “upvote” the ones that you like the most.

The Korea Observer will select some of the most popular names left on the following comment section or the Korea Observer’s  facebook page (facebook.com/koreaobserver) and pass them on to the district office.

  • Dan

    Sun Lovers Area.

  • Nicole L

    The Sunny Zone

  • Christopher Palasz

    Sports Zone

  • Mark Preston

    Sunshine zone

    • Jodasom

      I think the open area should be ‘Sunshine Zone’ and the parasol area can be called, ‘Sunshade Zone’

  • Anonymous_Joe

    “We welcome The Korea Observer’s proposal to ask expats to find the most appropriate term to describe the parasol-free area,”

    Ummm… How ’bout “Parasol-Free Area”? (Duh)

    • Joshua Weaver

      Raaiiiiiiight?

      • Anonymous_Joe

        Dr. Evil, I presume.

  • Bray On Tour

    Good to see such a swift reaction from the district office.

    I’d recommend “The Sunny Space” for the former “foreigners’ zone” and the “Culture Zone” for the former “Chinese Zone.”

  • smithington

    How could the Korea Observer propose any name but “The Lord James Hyams Craiglist memorial park for the ethical treatment of dogs and fair equitable treatment for anonymous unverifiable rumours”? To do otherwise would just be a shame.

    • Anonymous_Joe

      If you want to have any credibility as a gadfly, you should give props where they’re due. If I had your obvious bias, I would at least have given him an “even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.” You couldn’t even snark your way through that.

      Losing credibility, smithington. Send him a congrats, say “more like this”, and lie in wait in hopes to snag your next dangling modifier.

      • smithington

        Obviously you missed the entire way this got started. This got started by someone mentioning it on reddit. And, as you know, nothing happens on reddit without the watchful eye of James ‘imbatman’ hyams catching it. Of course his spin on it was

        “Haeundae beach racial segregation plan misunderstood”

        and started with
        “The Haeundae District Office is under fire for their plan to divide Busan’s Haeundae beach into zones based on race this year.”

        This is later clarified in the article, but as is typical of KO, they lead with horrible journalism, poor writing and sensationalism to try and get people to read it. To be honest, I don’t think I could remotely believe that that the Busan government took a suggestion from KO. Not without a recording of the call, independently verified. We’re dealing with a site that isn’t above bending and massaging the truth. They may have gotten some local backlash and when Taehoon finally got them on the phone, just said “Yeah yeah, whatever you want, we’re already changing it” which he then dressed up to make it look like they were some kind of white knight riding in to save the day.

        This isn’t a blind squirrel getting lucky. This is a nut falling on the corpse of a dead squirrel.

        • Anonymous_Joe

          1) How do you know that he got this from Reddit?
          2) Regardless, I don’t care.
          3) I believe that KO did instigate the change. KO is risking a lot by stating such, complete with their, for lack of a better term, cosponsored contest.
          4) You blasted this piece’s author on another entry, which he had neither written or commented. That seems to more like a personal vendetta or agenda to me.

          Finally, I’ve made you this offer before, if you have something to say or want to blast bloggers in Korea in general and cite KO specifically in a way that would hold up to being post worthy, I’ll publish it for you.

          My opinion of KO is that they do a good job with what they have. I find their editor seems to have integrity and is intellectually honest. When he gets called out and there is merit to the complaint, he readily comps to it. I have not seen him or KO duck any charges. KO is clearly not perfect, but they are giving a voice to issues that get not even a whisper on limited resources. With more, I think they’d be better not fatter.

          • smithington

            1) Have you seen this site? They live and die for reddit. They’ve gone so far as to include links to every reddit story submitted about them, even the ones where they get slammed horribly because they’re just so desperate to be on reddit. Hyams has made it a habbit of trolling both reddit and other social media platforms for quotes, stories, etc before. It’s called common sense and an education.

            2)If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be here defending the indefensible and asking now would you? In fact one might seem that you care a little too much.

            3)What would KO be risking? Reputation? That’s in the toilet. Integrity? In the toilet. At this point the KO could claim that little green men spent the night probing the president and I don’t think anyone’s opinion of them could get any lower.

            4) This piece’s “author” is the boss man in charge. The buck stops with him on every single word that is printed on this site.

            ” When he gets called out and there is merit to the complaint, he readily comps to it.” And then does absolutely nothing to actually change anything. How many times has he come to the comment threads to apologize for Hyams’ awful articles and behaviour and yet here he is, still writing away. Let’s not forget the empty apologies for sensationalist titles. Integrity is hardly what I would describe him as having. That’s the textbook definition of the polar opposite of integrity.

            I neither required your approval of my writing nor need your help in getting it published. My words reach the masses just fine. However, that is the last ditch argument of the man admitting defeat. Critics aren’t required to be accomplished masters to “earn” the right to criticize the incompetent. If the KO doesn’t want their stuff discussed they can remove the comment modules and stop submitting it to any place that allows discussion like reddit, facebook, forums, and other places.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            2) “Regardless, I don’t care” as in even if Reddit was his source.

            3) I disagree with you about KO’s reputation. Also, KO’s offer of a co-sponsored contest certainly has to be legit. The contest’s existence seems to confirm some deal with Haeundae reps. Connecting the dots of the published piece and their claim, I’ll accept their statement. Are you a betting man, smithington?

            4) Ok, my bad for the ambiguity with “this piece’s author”. I meant to refer to JH, and he did not write this blog post and had not yet appeared here, but you blasted away about another blog piece.

            “I neither required your approval of my writing nor need your help in getting it published.”

            Not even close to my intention or meaning. I genuinely offered you a forum for anything you wanted to post, certain reasonable limitations withstanding.

            My words reach the masses just fine. However, that is the last ditch argument of the man admitting defeat. Critics aren’t required to be accomplished masters to “earn” the right to criticize the incompetent.

            I have no idea what you’re rambling about.

            If the KO doesn’t want their stuff discussed they can remove the comment modules and stop submitting it to any place that allows discussion like reddit, facebook, forums, and other places.

            By your reasoning then, they openly invite comments. The problem that I have with yours is that they’re often off topic, follow from another thread, or are at best moot ad hominems.

            I did my share of complaining in the K-blogosphere, too. The difference was that none of mine was personal. I kept mine intellectually honest and called both the good and the bad as I saw them.

            I say hammer away at Hyams when he deserves it. If you know anything about my comment history (“I have no friends”), I’ll do the same. I’m also quick to recognize a job well-done. The KO and JH got the job done, took at best a misunderstanding (at worst, I could be persuaded that the Busan people had some other nefarious end in mind), built a bridge connecting and leading to understanding between both communities, solved a problem, and likely gave Busan city government a lesson they’ll learn from for the future.

            I say “well done”, KO and JH.

          • smithington

            2. again, if you didn’t care, you wouldn’t be asking. If you don’t care, why include? Just needed to have 4 points in your list to make it look spiffy? You realize 4 is unlucky in Asia and your desperate need to peacock with that kind of list instead makes you look like you’re gunning for some drama.

            3. You can disagree all day. But I suspect, even if you took out my comments and went through the comments on this site and places they post it, you’d find more negative than positive.

            4. I blasted away about a related blog piece. One directly tied to this that was also under the purview of the author of this particular piece. Once again: He’s the bossman who let James publish the first piece of garbage on this after he claimed he was going to clean up the sensationalism. This goes back to that whole integrity thing, which you’re now conveniently trying to pretend you didn’t bring up.

            “Not even close to my intention or meaning. I genuinely offered you a
            forum for anything you wanted to post, certain reasonable limitations
            withstanding.”

            And what does that have to do with anything here? You accuse me of being off-topic while bringing this up. I’m here to discuss the topic at hand as penned by the perpetual try-hards. That’s what this page is for. Not offering other people blog opportunities. If you want to get all worked up about people posting off-topic you might want to try and stay on-topic yourself.

            “The KO and JH got the job done”
            See..this makes no sense. There is no evidence JH had anything to do with this. We’ve already seen JH’s work on this. Sensationalized garbage sourced from social media. The same as he always produces. I find it extremely unlikely that JH had anything to do with this, assuming this is real. I’m sure the staff probably didn’t speak English well enough and it was the bossman who made the call. Once again JH crapped all over everything and Tae-hoon had to come in and try and clean up his mess. He’s worse than an untrained puppy with a parasite.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            You’re just going around in circles.

            This seems to come down to whether KO had any influence in instigating the change at Haeundae and that you doubt their claims.

            How ’bout a friendly wager?

          • smithington

            That’s because your refusing to get the point in your desperate attempt to defend this garbage pile and as each argument crumbles you try to move on pretending you didn’t make them.

            Whether KO was tangentially involved in changing this or not, most of the stuff you’ve brought up to try and defend them is patently false on its face. So let’s go back over them since you’re having a little trouble following your own verbal diarrhea. It’s an absolute mystery why it is that ol’ master robert gives you a voice.

            1) You desperately need to know how it is I know that he got it from reddit, but apparently don’t seem to care, especially when I break out the crayons to connect the dots that any pre-k could have put together. In fact I showed your post to a 4 year old and they just screamed at the screen “How does he not get that? I was making those kinds of connections last year!”

            2) You claim KO is risking something by making claims, but can’t seem to really quantify what that is.

            3) You seem to utterly fail at how it is that JH and Taehoon are related and how the crap pile of sensationalism that JH penned just yesterday on this very topic is worth mentioning here, and why any of that is Taehoon’s business.

            4) You wander into off-topic territory by offering me writing work that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, a pseudo stab at the “unless you can do better shut up about it” argument so popular with 12 year old fanboys all over the internet…and..omg..there it is.. that explains so much. You’re a fanboy. It’s the only logical explanation for the broken logic and incomprehensible defense of such a pile. One can only assume you have some framed picture of James above your desk to inspire you.

            5) You claim Taehoon is apparently the pinnacle of integrity where there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Your evidence of this is his willingness to apologize. Apologies aren’t integrity. Anyone can apologize. Action is integrity. As I’ve already pointed out, the sensationalized content and titles are still present. The man-child masquerading as an academic super investigative journalist out to defend the weak and downtrodden who spews such garbage is still here. Exactly where is the integrity?

            6) You then make claims that JH had anything to do with this situation, beyond the sensationalized sewer he created the day before, and based on what evidence? the excellent Korean skills he demonstrates? Logs of calls he made to the authorities? The content of this article? Anything at all? Anything beyond that pink hard adorned portrait hanging about your desk?

            When you came in here swinging you accused me of not having any credibility left. As each of your claims is dismantled you desperately leap to another angle offering no explanation for the broken logic or apology for asserting something that certainly wasn’t true. Why would I wager with someone that dodgy? There’s nothing to be gained. The strength of my position comes form the words and the facts, I don’t need to beat you anything, you’ve beaten yourself.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Now you’re just trolling:

            1) You desperately need to know how it is I know that he got it from reddit, but apparently don’t seem to care….”

            Not desperate and it’s laughable that you described it so. You made a statement of fact without offering any evidence. I want to know how you know. I still stand by that I don’t care if it’s true, I just want to you to cite statements of fact you make about them.

            “2) You claim KO is risking something by making claims, but can’t seem to really quantify what that is.”

            Bullsh!t. I stated that they risked their very integrity. They do so by making statements of fact and those statements of fact we can measure. In fact, I’ll blow them out of the water and rip the sh!t out of them if they made it up. That’s what they’re risking.

            “You seem to utterly fail at how it is that JH and Taehoon are related and how the crap pile of sensationalism that JH penned just yesterday on this very topic is worth mentioning here…”

            …because he didn’t write this piece, and this piece validates the “crap pile” he wrote yesterday. You wrote in that comments section that it was unimportant. This story shows you’re wrong.

            “4) You wander into off-topic territory by offering me writing work that has nothing to do with the topic at hand….”

            Let me be more specific: If you can write a cited, well-written piece exposing the Korea Observer’s shortcomings, I’ll publish it for you. I’ll tell you, I tend to be more detached, reserved, and academic in my criticisms. You’ll likely get ripped based on what I’ve seen here.

            5) You claim Taehoon is apparently the pinnacle of integrity where there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Your evidence of this is his willingness to apologize. Apologies aren’t integrity. Anyone can apologize. Action is integrity. As I’ve already pointed out, the sensationalized content and titles are still present.

            Again, you’re being at best disingenuous and now I’m starting to think dishonest. Show me where I think he is the “pinnacle” of anything. Yes, I use his willingness to comp to mistakes and errors as a sign of integrity. Since you’re pointing out sensationalized content and titles, which is more judgment, I’ll give you a forum to blast a way to test your ideas.

            6) You then make claims that JH had anything to do with this situation, beyond the sensationalized sewer he created the day before, and based on what evidence?

            The following evidence: 1) the published article, 2) the number of comments and shares here and on FB, 3) Lee Taehoon’s statements, which are in line with everything else I see.

            “When you came in here swinging you accused me of not having any credibility left.”

            That’s not what I wrote. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension or facts.

            “As each of your claims is dismantled you desperately leap to another angle offering no explanation for the broken logic or apology for asserting something that certainly wasn’t true. Why would I wager with someone that dodgy? There’s nothing to be gained. The strength of my position comes form the words and the facts, I don’t need to beat you anything, you’ve beaten yourself.

            I said a “friendly” wager. One that is exposed online. You have nothing to gain, that is true, because you will lose.

          • smithington

            1)I made a statement that a blind man could have drawn the dots to connect. If you know anything about KO and JH you know he has a desperate need to find a way to be as close to and probably intimate with reddit as he can. The behaviour borders on the illegal.

            2) as I’ve pointed out, there is no evidence they have any integrity left, so I’m not sure really sure what you think they’d risk. KO is known for sensationalist articles written by hacks.

            3) Still don’t get it do you? Taehoon, the author of this piece is responsible for the first piece. And nothing justifies that crap fest. Is this an “The ends justifies the means” argument?

            4) Before it was anything, now it’s specifically about KO? You’re moving the goal posts to try and excuse your hypocritical behaviour. Whose trolling?

            5) and as I just pointed out, simply apologizing for something isn’t integrity if you don’t actually do anything about it. Can you provide a single shred of evidence that he’s actually done anything to correct the mistakes he keeps apologizing for? Check the comments on the site. It’s littered with him coming in and apologizing both for JH and the content of articles and the way they are presented. Since I’ve seen him start apologizing, none of those things have changed. That’s integrity to you? That’s a pretty low bar. And the judgment of being sensationalized garbage bordering on out-right ignorance and lies is a fairly commonly held belief about KO.

            6) What do any of those things have to do with showing that JH had any hand in the solution? Assuming this is real for a moment, Taehoon called up the authorities, spoke with them, and came to a solution, then wrote the article about it. JH wasn’t involved at any point that process. The only thing JH was involved in was working expats into a fervour by essentially printing lies and referring to the situation as segregation as it’s clearly not. That had zero to do with actually resolving this situation.

            7) I really wouldn’t be accusing others of having issues with facts. the way you attempt to massage them to defend these two is laughable. As always, another stellar response. You come across like KOs lapdog. Tired of the hole and gunning for a new place to write?

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Now you’re just trolling. I don’t see any examples, and the crap I see you spewing is contradicting. For example,

            smithington: “4) Before it was anything, now it’s specifically about KO? You’re moving the goal posts to try and excuse your hypocritical behaviour. Whose trolling?”

            This was in response to your complaint, which I had answered:

            (me quoting you)”4) You wander into off-topic territory by offering me writing work that has nothing to do with the topic at hand….”

            (me) Let me be more specific: If you can write a cited, well-written piece exposing the Korea Observer’s shortcomings, I’ll publish it for you. I’ll tell you, I tend to be more detached, reserved, and academic in my criticisms. You’ll likely get ripped based on what I’ve seen here.

            This is what I mean by “going around in circles.” I offered you carte-blanche to write anything, which included an expose of KO, and you complained it was off-topic. I then made the offer more specifically germane to answer your objection, and your objection reveals your complaint was invalid.

            7) You come across like KOs lapdog.

            Well, you send me a message if your claim about them making up the contact with Busan gov’t is true, and I’ll blow them out of the water.

            It’s not worth Fisking the other of your highly flawed, if not intellectually dishonest, statements.

            I think we’re done here.

          • smithington

            So as further proof that this rag is full of it, what was you said about waiting for proof? Well I guess we just had to look at the time:

            http://news20.busan.com/controller/newsController.jsp?newsId=20150522000095

            the name was changed a day before the voting opened here. This piece of trash ran an article 5/22 announcing the poll, but on 5/21 they already announced the name change to “sports zone”. How much more proof do you want they are making stuff up?

            They’re still running the poll like it means anything.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            I saw your comment (as you should know by now, I don’t duck any real questions), and I IM’d this piece’s author about your concerns. He will publish a statement in two days.

          • smithington

            Whatever it is, no one will buy it. They need 2 days to come up with spin. they knowingly published that piece when the government had already chosen a name. If they were being honest they would have done it May.

            I can tell from you’re tone that you won’t hold true to what you said. Instead of calling them out, you’re getting ready to start making apologies for them. Like deserves like, shouldn’t some expat rag deceiving readers be front page over at the hole?

            It’s no shock that you think the people running this have integrity if that’s how you conduct yourself.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Smithington: “I can tell from you’re tone that you won’t hold true to what you said. Instead of calling them out, you’re getting ready to start making apologies for them.”

            I contacted them, and they said they’ll publish a piece on Monday. I offered no spin or apologies.

            Like deserves like, shouldn’t some expat rag deceiving readers be front page over at the hole?

            Well, as far as holding to my word, I have offered you a chance to publish a piece, certain reasonable limitations withstanding. The offer stands. I’ll bet that the Korean Observer will publish an op-ed piece for you, and if you are not satisfied with their explanation, I suggest you write one. I promise you that if they don’t publish it and if it is worthy of publication, I’ll publish it for you.

            …that’s how I conduct myself.

          • smithington

            Be prepared for another one. As their more recent article about the spa is “apparently thoroughly debunked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3McK9vjDYs

            As you said ” Connecting the dots of the published piece and their claim, I’ll accept their statement. Are you a betting man, smithington?”

            It looks very clear that you lost that bet.

            ” In fact, I’ll blow them out of the water and rip the sh!t out of them if they made it up. That’s what they’re risking.”

            Wow. if this is what you call blowing them out of the water and ripping the shit out of them, I’d hate to see you when you’re calm. You must go through life comatose.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Wow, you mean to say that they let a Korean-American, who is genetically and physically indistinguishable from any other Korean, in without questions as proof that that they didn’t ban foreigners? You take his “honor system” report as unquestionable proof? (Well, so do I. I don’t see what your comment is on this.)

            You see, smithington, this is your problem. You reach.

            Based on this post, I’ll be very happy to post an expose at TMH for you if Korea Observer doesn’t publish your op-ed piece. You’ll be ridiculed off the board if this is all you got.

            I strongly suggest that you write an op-ed piece to the KO and see how well you stand on the big board.

            (BTW, I still think that the Haeundae Beach naming is the best, by which I mean ‘only’, thing I’ve seen you come up with. I’ll wait until Monday when KO publishes its piece. Feel free to write yours in the meantime.)

          • smithington

            and I see you conveniently going back to ignoring the statements you made, you see this goes back to your credibility and integrity. You keep trying to push me to write something, but I’m writing something, all the time. I have the pulpit I desire. Your weak attempts to mould it into something you want, especially from someone lacking so much integrity and credibility are laughable.

            It wasn’t just the Korean American, it was also an Australian guy that he encountered. I also don’t believe that guy is fully Korean either, he looks mixed. Here’s the difference: We have no reason to question his credibility. We have tons of reasons to question the credibility of this place.

            Apparently I won our little bit, and you’re backing out on your claim that you’d be ripping them a new one. I’d say we’re done here. When you can muster up a shred of integrity feel free to get back to us.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            smithington: “You keep trying to push me to write something, but I’m writing something, all the time. I have the pulpit I desire.”

            You really have nothing. Few read these comments, especially comments posted months after the original blog entry. I only found this because it showed up in my feed, which I sometimes read. You’d get ripped for posting that video as proof. Hell, you’d rip the KO, and rightly so, if they had posted a video without posting the encounter. It’s a laugh and double-standard that reveals your agenda that you posted that video as some kind of proof.

            …but let me help you further. You see the KO named the employee at Haeundae Beach. The KO also named the Busan spa. I smell defamation suit if the KO made the quotes up. Why don’t you file one with the po-po on behalf of the Spa. If you know anything about Korean law, then you should know that Korea’s draconian anti-defamation and interference with business laws require only that someone file, even the police or concerned citizen.

            Our little bet continues, and I’ll wait and see. Excuse me if I don’t act upon a video that is a non-video. Even if the Korean-American was indeed admitted, it doesn’t disprove the claims in the original piece. You see, I believe both.

            For the rest of it about my integrity, do not write about me personally again. You’re wrong, and you’re trolling. You are intellectually dishonest at best and seem to want to clog these boards with logical fallacies, outright lies, and non-sequiturs. If you want to engage me in honest debate, that’s fine.

          • smithington

            You made it personal from the get go. You can’t turn around and claim you’re off limits now that your lack of integrity has been exposed. Let me repeat your words again for you:

            ” Connecting the dots of the published piece and their claim, I’ll accept their statement. Are you a betting man, smithington?” They published the article after the name change was published. For journalists who are supposedly so on top of things, its hard to believe they didn’t notice that their hot topic of the time made the news. The question is, are they intentionally dishonest or incompetent. I’d say either one shows you lost your bet.

            ” In fact, I’ll blow them out of the water and rip the sh!t out of them if they made it up. That’s what they’re risking.”

            Again, I do not see you blowing them out of the water for either their incompetence or dishonesty. I see you trying to cover for them. Certainly not holding to the statement you made. The only one dishonest here is you. Like the individuals who run this site when the going gets tough you get defensive and lash out. James did that repeatedly and taehoon had to come around and clean up after him and eventually, appears to have put a leash on him. Is taehoon going to come round and clean up your mess as well? Those were your words were they not? Either hold to them or forever be known as the fraud you are.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Well, here’s my plan. They’re going to publish a piece tomorrow. I saw and noted the news story you linked to. I also noted that the original piece has a quote attributed to a Busan official. You are right that someone has to do some explaining.

            “And if you knew anything about Korean law as you claim, you would know that I’d have to be the owner of the spa to sue them for defamation, which I’m not.”

            Korea has (ahem) unique defamation laws that the police or others who would normally lack standing can file defamation suits. There are several in the news right now, most notably the criminal defamation suit filed against the Sankei Shimbun editor on behalf of PGH. Korea has gotten itself in an international pickle over that one, which Korean courts have heard and have a decision pending. Another of note includes the Samsung/Lee Geun-hee criminal defamation charges brought against Michael Breen. Even after Samsung/Lee dropped the charges (after international ridicule), the Korean po-po and prosecutors pressed on despite Samsung’s/Lee’s expressly stated desire to not pursue the case. I’ll let you google the court’s disposition.

          • smithington

            That’s not even remotely the same thing. The president occupies a public office and the police may have considered the Breen to be at the level of a public issue. That doesn’t mean anyone can just file defamation suits on behalf of some random third party. The breen suit exactly supports my point. I’m not a victim of the defamation so I can’t file suit. Samsung dropped it and no longer considered itself a victim. No wonder you’ve had so much trouble keeping up in this discussion.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Yes, the police and prosecution pursued the case anyway. Apparently, the court ruled “no victim” and dismissed the case. Korean law reads that the “victim” has to expressly state that he doesn’t want prosecution, otherwise the police and prosecution can proceed and the courts can convict.

            You’re not interested in discussion, debate, and discovery; you’re interested lies in douching.

          • smithington

            No i’m interested in holding people accountable and you’re not interested in being accountable for your words. After your firey claim, when presented with hard evidence they lied about the very thing you were defending them on, you played the “wait and see card”. No integrity, no accountability. Nothing but excuses. There is nothing more douchey than that. You keep resorting to insults, but all you’re really doing is projecting. The discussion was done as soon as that was found. The only way they’re getting out of that is with some epic spin, and you’re probably the only one who will buy it.

            Keep polishing that photo of Hyams and doing whatever it is that helps you sleep at night. You might want to consider starting to be honest with yourself.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            No, I intend to hold them accountable. When I saw your posted article, I contacted the editor. He gave me a brief explanation and said that he would publish a piece. I not only see no harm in waiting but also see waiting as responsible. I don’t see anything lost by, you know, actually looking into the matter.

            You see, you have an agenda that allows you to think a YouTube video that doesn’t show a Korean-American not actually getting accepted or rejected as overwhelming evidence to support your agenda. My agenda is to get at the truth, and if that takes, you know, some actual research and investigation, then so be it.

          • smithington

            In the internet age, time is akin to forgetting about it. a couple days ago reddit was nearly shut down, 24 hours later it’s like nothing happened. He’s had 2 months to come clean, when finally called out, he wants days to “prepare a piece”? If he can’t come clean immediately it isn’t worth hearing. The truth shouldn’t take so long to prepare. You wait for lies and spin, no the truth. I see no evidence that you’re interested in the truth, as you were far more interested in making assumptions based on the misguided belief that the editor would never do the things that he ended up doing. At that point their track record spoke for itself.

            The Korea Observer has zero credibility and I have no reason to doubt the youtube video maker, and once again his video was not just about him, but also an Australian who entered. I haven’t seen any evidence to question his credibility while the list of things that make this site sketchy are a mile long.

            Whether it’s intentional dishonesty or incompetence at this point it’s immaterial. Both are a death knell for this site and their integrity.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            “smithington: “He’s had 2 months to come clean, when finally called out, he wants days to “prepare a piece”? If he can’t come clean immediately it isn’t worth hearing. The truth shouldn’t take so long to prepare.”

            No, he said he would publish a piece. I will see what he publicly publishes. Then I will look into contacting and contact the Busan Haeundae official. I will give him a chance to address the claims.

            Oh, and I’ll do all this after I return from business, which I leave on tonight, and can fit around my family (I’ve made no secret of one aspect of my anonymous_life: I have young children). I will not however, publish anything without a statement from the Busan official or at least trying to reach him.

            If you are not happy with my schedule, then you, of course, are free to do all this yourself. I can promise that I will publish your piece if the KO doesn’t.

          • smithington

            The excuses keep piling up. Now we know what Anonymous_joe means when he says “rip the shit out of him”. You oversold and bet on the wrong horse. Hard to admit it, but like I said, try with being honest with yourself first.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            What would you have me write?

            I don’t see anything here. The results of the poll jive with the beach’s new name. Tae-hoon Lee has been forthcoming in all communications I have had with him, even those you don’t see. I see below that he even published the name and number so that even you can call to verify.

            Specifically state what you think the story is here.

          • Tae-hoon Lee

            Hi, Joe. I have already written a piece about it and the contact person, the one quoted in my article and others are Sohn Jeong-sik and his office number is 051-749-7631. I just spent a little more time at Hongik University today that I wasn’t able to publish the story in time today. I will be published sometime tomorrow.

          • smithington

            Tick tock. Monday is done, and nothing published from your hero. another fine example of the integrity you praised him for earlier. On top of that that poll is still running.

          • smithington

            Come on Joe, I see you’re back now. Still no follow-up? How unexpected /s.

            The story has been published and it’s a bigger joke that I could have hoped for. They choose a name which happens to match the existing tourism slogan, the government makes no mention of the name change, despite immediately posting the “sports zone” name change months ago to their website, and on top of that I’ve now uncovered chronic copyright violations all over the site. I’ve just been itching for your impassioned foolish defence all week. I’m sure it’ll be an even bigger laugh than the show Tae-hoon has put on this week.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Yes, I am back now. I see that the Haeundae Beach “foreigner zone” is going to be renamed according to the poll. I first thought to give you props for your Busan.com published piece that claimed the zone had been renamed “Sports Zone”. I think that your problem is now with the publisher of that piece.

            Everything I see here checks out: the Haeundae beach section is going to be renamed according to the poll. I don’t have a problem that the most popular slogan mirrored the Haeundae nickname. I didn’t know, but I would have voted for that one.

          • smithington

            It wasn’t just according to the news outlet. Actually 5 different outlets covered the name change. So far the only one to cover this one is this blog. The government actually published a press release when the name was changed to sports zone. They’ve done no such thing for this name change.

            http://www.haeundae.go.kr/html/06_data/data_10.php?board=xboard_903&mode=read&idx=1822&no=1&pagenum=0&search=title&query=%BD%BA%C6%F7%C3%F7%C1%B8

            This was published May 21 by the government on the government’s site. They’ve published no such press release about this alleged name change. Tae-hoon claims the name will be changed, to a name conveniently matching the existing slogan, likewatrtheoddsamirite? Of course he published that after he had time to possibly manipulate the results, we’ll never know.

            There is no evidence beyond his claim that this actually happened. You had said you were going to contact this individual, I guess another feather in the hat that is Anonymous_joe’s integrity?

          • Anonymous_Joe

            The link you posted above is dead; I get a “this webpage is not available” message.

            Although, and like you, I didn’t record the votes, but I seem to remember that the leading vote getter matches the new name. The proof will be in the beach zone’s name. If it’s not “Sports Zone”, then those news sources you cite have the problem.

            I don’t know what you think the story is here, but if you’re certain there is a story, then write a piece and publish it in the Op-Ed section on this website. Do so, however, at your own peril. Everything I see here jives with Lee Tae-hoon’s explanation and Korea Observer’s explanation, and the story behind the “Sports Zone” story is just another amusing instance of Korean culture.

          • smithington

            The link opens fine for me in Firefox, Chrome and IE here. if you still can’t manage that try this:

            http://www.haeundae.go.kr/html/06_data/data_10.php?board=xboard_903&mode=list&pagenum=0

            and search for “스포츠존” in the search immediately below the list of items. You’ll get one result dated 2015-05-21 it will have a title indicating the name change to sports zone and there will be an accompanying .hwp file which is the press release. You can see clear as day the government announced that name change and yet on the same page there is no announcement that would verify what he claims.

            and if that still doesn’t work follow this set of menus from the main haundae.go.kr site: 홈 > 우리구 소개 > 구청안내 > 문화복합센터안내

            That will take you to the board where they post the press releases.

          • smithington

            There website does seem to be having some intermittent issues though, so if you can’t get it to work, wait a few minutes and try again. It worked when I checked it, and just now it’s timing out again.

          • smithington

            The government posted 25 new press releases today regarding various things at haundae, not a single one had anything to do with this alleged contest and name change. But yeah, I mean except for the subject of the article not acknowledging any of Tae-hoon’s fantasies, it all totally ads up. Thanks anonymous_joe, you’ve really shown your true colors! we all know what a claim made by you is worth now.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            What is the name of the new zone? Is it “sports zone” or is it “sun and fun zone”?

            If it is “sun and fun zone”, then I see no story here. If you do, please write an op-ed piece. I’ll make certain the KO publishes it or I will at The Marmot’s Hole.

          • smithington

            The name is Sports Zone. As confirmed by the government, 5/21 press release stating the name changed from “Special Foreigner zone to Sports Zone” http://www.haeundae.go.kr/html/06_data/data_10.php?board=xboard_903&mode=read&idx=1822&no=1&pagenum=0&search=title&query=%BD%BA%C6%F7%C3%F7%C1%B8 They have released NO press releases since then stating any further changes or any contest with the Observer or that the name is “sun and fun zone”. The last round of updates was 6/18 and today they released 2 1/2 pages of press releases, not a single one confirms tae-hoon’s story. ”

            외국인특화존 ‘스포츠존’으로 불러주세요” That is the last press release they’ve made on the matter. If his story was remotely true it would have been acknowledged in this latest round of press releases just like the previous name change was.

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Smithington, what does the sign at the beach say? Does it say “Sports Zone”?

          • smithington

            I’m not in Busan. I’m not taking a train all the way there to take a picture because you’ve sold your integrity and crawled up tae-hoon’s ass because you can’t admit you were wrong and hold to your word. Here are the facts: Before tae-hoon announced their “contest” the government made a public statement about changing the name of the zone. Only after I pointed out that they did that did tae-hoon take several days to concoct some story about the government agreeing to change the name again to the EXISTING slogan for haundae, while putting the full blame on them and taking zero responsibility for his complete lack of journalistic ability. The government hasn’t acknowledged this in any way shape or form and any photos from the area wouldn’t be trustworthy anyway since you can expect that slogan is likely on existing signage because it’s been a Haundae slogan for awhile now, which is probably why that one ended up “winning”.

            Tae-hoon can sit here and tell stories all day, until the government actually publicly acknowledges his claim as they did the last name change in May, there is no evidence that anything he has said is true, and the longer you sit here making excuses for him which is the complete opposite of what you claimed you’d do the more it solidifies your reputation as someone with zero integrity and credibility. It’s funny that this started with you attacking mine, but I guess that was just a bit of projection on your part wasn’t it?

          • Anonymous_Joe

            Is the name of the beach section in question “Sports Zone”? If it is not, then the problem is with the news sources you cited.

            Here’s what I see: the contest winner was “fun and sun zone”, which jives with my memory. Please write an op-ed piece with all your evidence and opinions. If KO doesn’t publish it, then I will. You can even blast away at me for your stated reasons.

            I don’t agree with your statements or opinions. I am not going to pass them off or as my own. Why don’t you write an op-ed piece and see how they hold up? You can discredit the Korea Observer. Go for it.

          • smithington

            This isn’t from a news source. The Haundae website is the government website. That is an official press release calling the area “Sports Zone”. That is not some third party report.

            I originally gave you a third party news article, but have since found the official report which I’ve linked to multiple times and even drawn you a road map to find it since you were having so much trouble.

            You claimed you were going to rip the shit out of them if their claim didn’t hold water. However the claim wasn’t “Who was the winner of the contest” the claim was that he is allegedly working together with the district office to pick a new name, whatever that is.

            He has provided no evidence that that is the case. He’s made a claim that he talked to someone there and they agreed to change the name as he gave them, but the government certainly has not publicly acknowledged that and Tae-hoon has provided no credible evidence supporting his claim or why they’d do that.

            So despite his little explanation blaming everyone but himself for this situation, nothing has actually supported a single thing he’s claimed. I find it strange when you weigh the government’s actual official report vs some tale told by a journalist who can’t even properly attribute a photo without excessive hand-holding, you choose to side with the latter.

            You basically staked your integrity on this discussion and not only did tae-hoon fail to deliver anything beyond a fairy tail, you’re doing the same. The word of anonymous_joe has been proven to be utterly meaningless. Which goes all the way back to our original exchange, your little foot stomping insults were nothing more than projection. I don’t need to publicize it on the front page of anywhere. Because even if it stays right here in this comment thread you’re always going to know that you failed to deliver.

          • Jhyamsisacunt

            Joe, you have zero credibility after falling for the charms of dumb and dumber. They are running a disaster and the walls are caving in. The exposers are exposed

  • http://www.zenkimchi.com/FoodJournal ZenKimchi

    Great work, Taehoon!

    • Tae-hoon Lee

      Thanks Zoe!

  • http://www.bcarr.com/ Brendon Carr

    Sunbathers’ Beach.

  • Philip

    Lee Hughes from a facebook discussion group on this news item had posted the best name for the zone, calling it: “Parasol Free Zone.” I second his great suggestion.

    • Anonymous_Joe

      Already have pissing rights all over it. See here and here

  • Anonymous_Joe

    I’m a big Beatles fan, and have bought their oeuvre on every media fashionable through the years. I even bought “Let It Be – Naked”, which was the Phil Spector-less stripped down, sans wall of sound version closer to the then dysfunctional Beatles’ vision and intention (according to McCartney) for the Let It Be album.

    As a nod to the Beatles, I propose Let It Be(ach) – Naked.

    • Sweet Cuppin’ Cakes

      I hope that too would get misunderstood, for kinky/unsightly effects.

  • thisguy

    “Recreation Area”

    like you would call any such area anywhere else.

  • dave

    Sun and Recreation area

  • JMS

    Who the F cares.

  • Joshua Weaver

    Just keep race out of it. Stop promoting the Korean mentality to Seperate everything by race, gender, or age

    Why not
    ACTIVITY ZONE
    PARASOL FREE ZONE
    BEACH SPORTS ZONE
    these are 100% more accurate since they actually reflect what might be happening in the area.

    A zone for specialized activities had nothing to do with race in any way.

    Really can’t believe the Korean Observer recommended FOREIGNER -SPECIALISED ZONE. Is that true?

  • http://writeorelse.com/ TCC Edwards

    How about “The Part of the Goddamn Beach You Can Actually Enjoy”?

  • Jeff Mixson

    Sun Zone

  • KSW

    Thing is, I have seen sports teachers putting on suntan, with a cap, sunglasses, popped collars and those arm protection things when going outside to teach for 45 minutes on a cloudy day. Fact. Koreans do not like direct exposure to the sun.
    When they go to the beach they do not want to be exposed to the sun or run around and sweet. There are some health benefits to this, so lets go with it.
    Basically, it is the exact opposite to what most westerners do when they go to the beach.

    The creation of a parasol free area is genius. But to call it a foreigner zone is kind of akin to segregation.

    Suggestion: Open area. Activities area. Free zone. Parasol-free area. Sports and sunbathing area. Recreational zone.

    • smithington

      “The creation of a parasol free area is genius. But to call it a foreigner zone is kind of akin to segregation.” Only if you’re desperately looking for something to complain about. You freely admit that the area is actually aptly named since very few, if any Koreans would really be interested in that kind of space. Foreigner isn’t used as a pejorative in Korean, not the way that foreigners in Korea toss around words like ajumma and ajoeshi as such, and it actually have nothing to do with segregation since people can go where they like.

      • Sassafraster

        While I agree that there was never any mal-intent on the part of the Busan council, it is still an inappropriate name. Every Korean I’ve discussed this with agrees that it implies that Koreans are one thing and everyone else another. It bothers the Koreans I’ve talked to also as it suggests that these spaces aren’t really for them. Even if most Koreans don’t want to “beach” the way many western people “beach”, some definitely do. And, although there is no enforced segregation, the implication is that you are strange or different if you prefer the “foreigner” way of going to the beach (or you’re really adapted to Korean culture if you’re a foreigner and prefer to sit under a parasol). Let’s just take off the labels. This isn’t an “I’m easily offended, so rename it issue”. It’s about renaming it so that it accurately describes it’s purpose. Simply having an area with no parasols doesn’t even need a name, does it?

  • Sweet Cuppin’ Cakes

    Howsabout the “If You Seriously Want To Spend More Than Ten Minutes On This Overcrowded Beach, By All Means… Zone”

  • Korean Voice

    The Foreigner Zone is not new and was not a problem since no one was restricted to go anywhere. Foreigners can go to Korean zone and Koreans can go to Foreigner zone. Not an issue. Poor English word choices by the government? Yes. But if that is an issue there are thousands more as examples. No one blinks an eye. Progress takes time. Enter Korea Observer. Word the title of article to get the ignorant foreigner community to take the bait. There is noise on the internet. Korea Observer goes to government guy and shows the angry mob. Government guy agrees name change. No big deal. Done. And then Korea Observer claims some kind of savior. Then sees an opportunity to play up the contest as if its a big deal. And in the mean time this ignorant economically motivated tabloid article meant to get foreigners to click on it gets shared at a 1000 places so the foreigners against Korean hostility is further flamed. Because that is what gets more eye balls to Korea Observer. Am I the only one that sees only sheep here?

    • Kyrei

      See my avatar…

  • Sassafraster

    Why name it at all? Why not just have an area that’s parasol free?

  • HyamsSucksCock

    When will that dumbass poll be taken down and a full explanation given you fucking retards.

  • pat

    “Sunny Side Up”

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